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"I think I've lived long enough to see competitive Counter-Strike as we know it, kill itself." Summary of Richard Lewis' stream (Long)
I want to preface that the contents of this post is for informational purposes. I do not condone or approve of any harassments or witch-hunting or the attacking of anybody.
Richard Lewis recently did a stream talking about the terrible state of CS esports and I thought it was an important stream anyone who cares about the CS community should listen to. Vod Link here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/830415547 I realize it is 3 hours long so I took it upon myself to create a list of interesting points from the stream so you don't have to listen to the whole thing, although I still encourage you to do so if you can. I know this post is still long but probably easier to digest, especially in parts. Here is a link to my raw notes if you for some reason want to read through this which includes some omitted stuff. It's in chronological order of things said in the stream and has some time stamps. https://pastebin.com/6QWTLr8T
Intro
"The last month has convinced me, that we are going to be heading into a dark place for Counter-Strike esports in 2021."
"I think I've seen the scene essentially kill itself."
"For the past 5 to 6 years, we've basically been in a holding pattern of people coming into our game wanting to run it, wanting to run all of the esports and wanting to profiteer and its been sort of a concerted effort to drive them off and push them away."
"We're spread way too thin."
"If Riot don't get involved and stop the scumbags that have moved over to Valorant from getting their feet under the table, Valorant is going to have real problems."
RL thinks too much has happened all at once for us to do anything except watch it play out, like:
Recent CSPPA strike against BLAST
ESIC failures and them not being supported enough
Teams cheating i.e. coaches/bugs
Widespread match fixing
The Pandemic
"People who try to hold bubble events are so incompetent and fuck up and people get the 'rona and its their fault."
"People who say Flashpoint is a bubble is full of shit and is a lie and people are now suffering for that lie."
"To save money they let people go home and break the bubble for a week."
"Not just Flashpoint peoples decision, they have a partner that handles the production." (hinting FACEIT)
"People are trapped in hotels essentially under house arrest because of COVID restrictions and has fucked peoples lives up."
"It's all too much, all of this incompetence, all of this greed, maybe we ride it out."
RL says he has talked to the Riot devs (the ones working on Valorant) and says, "They are so cognizant of all the fuck ups and all the problems we have in Counter-Strike."
He continues to say that this is factored into their business plan and that we never had a competitor, but just so happens to have one coincide, when we are at our worst.
CSPPA - Counter-Strike Professional Players' Association
"Who does this union really fucking serve?"
RL believes that the CSPPA is a mockery.
He points out the hypocrisy that they wouldn't strike for the pros who were kicked out of ESL Pro League, or for Jamppi or dream3r.
He also says ESL paid CSPPA and are racketeering and many other TOs have to pay them to get their "seal of approval"
He says they would strong-arm TOs saying "well if you don't give us the money, these guys are so we'll just have to commit to playing their event."
Also points out that they will strike against a competitor they are not in agreement with (Flashpoint)
RL: "It's what it says about every other time you haven't done it and it's about every time you don't do it now moving forward." "The issues they've chosen to ignore this year alone are embarrassing."
Then he points out that there was no strike for Valve qualifiers even if we have no major but Jamppi and dream3r can't play in them.
"and Valve have said 'Oh yeah we know actually their stories are accurate, Jamppi didn't cheat, now in a legally binding document. Yep dream3r did have his account hacked in a LAN café', but they still can't play. Where is the fucking solidarity? Gone. Doesn't exist. It's not important [because] it doesn't affect you." "That's what the union does right now, it looks after all the tier 1 people."
He says the CSPPA doesn't represent all players all the time and has driven a divide where you have the haves and have-nots
"We have a tier of players that operate with impunity and do not help their tier 2 or tier 3 players out at all." "If you are not a tier 1 player you do not matter, they don't event ask your opinion."
He tells chrisJ to admit and own the fact that the reason he didn't speak up during the ESL Pro League debacle is because it didn't affect him
"They are looking after some players at the expense of other players. How the fuck is that a union?"
He says the BLAST situation is a reasonable dispute and supports the players but is not the right time for a strike and have not even identified the correct enemy
He thinks players are lashing out now due to previous incidents and are upset that BLAST are working with ESIC
He stated that CSPPA shouldn't beefing with ESIC and they should be working in harmony
He says what they need to do is talk with the teams/organizations that have sold that right to BLAST
RL: "Your employers, the people who pay you that massive exorbitant salaries, when you don't stream and you don't do interviews and you offer no value beyond your ability to click heads and you get 25k dollars a month." "Why don't you talk to them about it? Oh right. You're happy to take away BLAST's paper, but you don't want to risk your own."
"I am seeing such unbelievable cowardice from the players here with the battles you choose."
"Where was the strike action when in the qualifiers for the world championship, there were teams and players engaged in huge conflicts of interest?" "Where was the strike action when your image rights were taken and sold to every league you've ever been in every union type organization you've ever been associated with like, WESA, to your org every time you sign a contract, to the leagues you play in."
"Your image rights are essentially worthless now, there's about 10 fucking separate parties that have them, and how many of them are giving you anything for it? Not much pretty much your org by the way."
"That's a big issue. Your image is you, your image is your brand. What are you doing about that? Nothing."
He is also angry at SirScoots who is "popping off" at people on Twitter who all want the same thing, which is 'A unified Counter-Strike scene for everybody, that works for everybody, that has a sustained ecosystem that nourishes everybody.' "We don't have that now."
He also says their rankings are a joke
"Just so happened, oh look TACO, that very important prominent member of the board, we pushed his team artificially up when they weren't even in the fucking top 20, not by a long shot."
He also says the ineptitude of the CSPPA cost Flashpoint a monitor sponsor
"Is it really a player association or is it like a fucking agency at this point"
ESIC - Esports Integrity Commission
"They have been put in an impossible position."
RL says that Ian Smith, the founder of ESIC and who was done work in mainstream sports, is a good and honorable man who has dedicated his life to integrity and sports. He takes on both sides, ensuring match fixers are punished, but also doing appeals and ensuring those punishments were fair.
"ESIC is a tiny organization" and are in need of money, "They didn't run a grift like the CSPPA did."
"Saying 'you want our support and you want the players to turn up you better pay us.' They don't do that."
"Had startup seed money from MTG and since then they've been pecking shit with the hens."
Ian Smith made sure that the money given by MTG (Modern Times Group, parent company of ESL, ESEA, DreamHack) was nothing more than startup money and wouldn't be in debt to them
Ian Smith sat down with other TO's not part of MTG and wanted to partner with them. They declined and called ESIC "ESL spies and we will never align ourselves with you"
"They only were just able to afford, hiring a PR guy on a full time salary to deal with the press and send out those releases you've seen, this year."
"They have a tiny group of staff investigating these things and they have taken on the biggest problems in our scene: the cheating, the match fixing."
ESIC have had "unprecedented levels of cheating to deal with, because there's something wrong with our scene ever since we went online. There's something wrong with it, everyone's lost their fucking pride and self-respect and they got no passion for it anymore, so they think fuck it, what's in it for me?"
He calls out coaches who are talking about players rights when they would rob and steal from them.
Also says more coaches being banned are coming
He also points out flaws in community's reaction to the punishments to coaches bans: "Half of the cunts still have jobs and some of the cunts got new jobs. We didn't even shun the cheating coaches."
ESIC have "found I think another 2 or 3 exploits like that one and they are investigating them all right now, it's going on right now."
"I know that there are going to be more names getting banned, again."
"So they're doing that on a skeleton crew while, investigating 3 continents worth of match fixing in MDL and semi-pro level CS." "They're doing this with half a dozen people." "They don't have any money or any help. People barely even fucking cooperate with them, they are treated like pariahs. It's ridiculous."
"Why are the CSPPA popping off at ESIC on my Twitter timeline, when you should be working together." "because its all about what's in it in for me." "2020, the online era of CS: 'What is in it for me?' How can I cheat, how can I get my paper, how can I bleed this scene one last time before I fuck off and play shooty shooty bang bang Riot Games babys first fps."
RL says that in the CIS region, teams have gone to tournaments and have been eliminated multiple times by the same team. We found out they were cheating and those players who lost, have been cut from their roster, careers ended because of cheaters.
Stream Sniping
"They're all at it in the online era, they're all at it, they're all cheating, they're all using exploits, probably that see through smoke bug got used a bunch of times"
RL talks about how there is no integrity from dead (the player), always denying when caught doing something
On the topic of 'BLAST never said we couldn't stream snipe': "Lies, BLAST never said you could do that, they had to sort of retcon it." "because what happened after that they fucking started snitching and squealing"
"Suddenly you had like, 10 of the top 15 teams in the world, staring into the abyss of being banned for 6-12 months in line with ESIC recommendations."
He says that ESIC was put in a tough situation and couldn't enforce the bans because it would have resulted in killing CS. What resulted was, BLAST, ESIC, and teams came together and gave them a warning and told them, in RL's words "don't do this again or you're gonna get got."
He then says the top teams brushed this off and didn't give a fuck
The new MiBR team playing Flashpoint, that wasn't involved in the previous incidents are doing it again (stream sniping). He gave credit to Flashpoint for the quick resolution and punishment and respect for cogu's response to the situation.
"ESIC came out and said, once more, 'Guys, zero tolerance from now on.'" RL then got upset at community's reaction calling ESIC "pussies" for their non enforcement and said if we want competitive CS we cant ban the top 10 teams.
He points out how players have no integrity and will do anything for an edge as long as they won't get detected or banned or it's within a grey area.
"All of this shit was mad avoidable, even in the pandemic era."
He talks about why aren't we filming them. Why aren't there representatives for leagues and tournaments making sure players aren't cheating?
Match Fixing
"How many years have we let our scene be fucking pillaged by these greedy cunts?" "We just let it happen."
RL says that gambling and skins betting which existed in moderation was "accelerated and blown up by the Call of Duty greedy fucks."
"Never forget TmarTn was on the board of EnVyUs." "His website, CSGOLotto, they had a bunch of off-the-books sponsorships." "NBK promoted them. People forget."
"Those people who had access to the skins, go to the players" "Even people like s1mple, best player in the world, even he scammed knives and skins off fucking fans."
Owners of skin casino sites would approach pros and lend them skins to use in tournaments and possibly keep them after reaching a deal
Players would tip off inside info about matches and teams in exchange for skins. Info such as: roster changes, how they played in scrims
They would use this info to bet and subvert the odds on their sites. "That happened religiously, I can't even tell you how many times it happened."
"I had access to the biggest database of information, from an inside betting circle in NA, and it would take information and screenshots from other pro players, who were feeding them info in exchange for money or skins."
"Some of these players are still playing." "Incredibly, there are players still in the CSPPA today, complaining about the BLAST recordings, that were embroiled in this murky shit back then."
RL also says that there were tournaments where teams contrived with each other, who should throw, who should win.
"There's a handful of people that are trying to fucking clean it up, and you think you get something over the line and you see something like the CSPPA and it's run by corrupt fucking chuckle heads, and now you've got another corrupt body you have to fight on a fucking daily basis, it's demoralizing."
"It's too far gone. Our entire semi-professional scene is compromised."
"It's rife guys, I'm not going to lie any more. It's not just China, it's not just Russia, it's here, it's NA, it's Europe, it's Australia, so much more than you think, so much more than we can prove."
"I get sent chat logs all the time […] and they're morons, these players, short-sighted, amateur, morons and they're doing it on WhatsApp." People would get cut from the bets because they want to make more money, then they leak the logs. He says, from the chat logs, they spread "little" bets across every site they can (400 to 1k dollars) to prevent shifting odds
He says the scumbags who've fucked off to Valorant will do the same there if Riot doesn't do something and says Valorant "is an esports scene heading for a very early fall based on the sheer volume of scumbags that are already there."
"That's tier 2 CS in a nutshell these days. They know they're never going to play in a major, so what's the punishment?"
"All of these tier 2 fucks that are fixing games now they are like the fucking mafia compared to iBuyPower" "These guys are working with organized criminals to fix entire seasons worth of games. That's what's going on in your tier 2 CS."
"I'm literally being told that there are players fixing games at all levels of Chinese esports and motherfuckers with guns are turning up to team houses and stuff."
North America
"Everyone in NA has left we've lost a continents worth of support during this pandemic and Valve haven't said a fucking word."
RL says the Call of Duty "goblins" that destroyed CS for years are the same people who are now trying to leave CS. "The nerve to treat a game where the fans, and the community, and the TO's were nothing but good to you." "To just kick the players out now and go and leave and say 'It just doesn't make financial sense.' Oh you'll slither back when we have a major though for them stickers won't you."
There's a cascading effect in NA where people don't bother with CS anymore and people like Chaos suffer.
He says NA team owners are incompetent for always wanting it easy and always wanting a guarantee on their investment without skill or nuance.
RL says he would be able to market a team correctly and would have a good ROI and also points out how TSM wouldn't even be bothered to tweet that their team, which was one of the best in the world, was playing at the Major.
He also says not all NA owners are like that, compliments and respects Jason Lake who nearly lost everything to keep Complexity going.
He then calls out the incompetence in Infinite Esports when they acquired OpTic Gaming and bought an Indian CS team.
He says HECZ is not to blame here and that they couldn't tell forsaken was cheating when it was so obvious.
They measured his reaction time to the likes of dev1ce and s1mple
When an enemy showed up on his screen he won that duel something like 44% of the time
"was like the number 1 player in the world statistically"
He brought a laptop to their bootcamp and refused to use the high end PCs that hey provided
He respects Andy Miller (NRG CEO) and HECZ but says that the attitude of not being able to easily monetize their teams is "piss weak" and there needs to be a risk.
He says Chaos EC shouldn't be cutting their roster and should be competent enough to be able to figure out how to make money off their team.
He says there are still opportunities in NA and people are panicking and pulling out, and says Valorant will be the same if not worse.
He also says "bums" who couldn't even get out of groups in NA competitions, are making crazy money in Valorant and says it will continue to inflate.
He also said that he heard rumors that EG (Evil Geniuses) are done.
He also thinks that the rumors of a Valve franchised league from before was sparked up from "these lazy fabled weak NA fucking team owners basically trying to see if Valve would bite at the hook if it was dangled and they didn't"
Slasher says NA team owners are really in favor of franchised leagues because they want to make more money. "Most of the powerful team owners right now are on board with ditching this third party organization structure, or they are trying to play this power politics with all the TOs, and that is contributing to a lot of the problems there"
RL says that Riot has proved they can run a franchised league (LCS) and will be profitable in 2021 which is what a lot of team owners care about and says the competition will only serve to snatch people away from CS.
RL continues to say, "I am so sick and tired of what we have done to this scene, I am just exhausted with it." "I think we have legitimately fucked it, I really think we have. I think we're staring into almost like a CGS (Championship Gaming Series) wasteland in NA." "Counter-Strike esports is a fucking joke."
Talent
"TO's have treated CS talent like absolute human garbage for years now."
RL says that people like Sean Gares and ddk switching over to Valorant isn't for financial reasons because they are making less over there.
He points out that TO's can't even give talent a 3 month in advance calendar.
Because of the pandemic TO's won't hire certain people and some people are working more hours for the same money.
He says we as a community don't respect journalists enough which is why we don't have good journalists.
He also says DeKay is leaving the scene soon and that Thorin is close to leaving also
He says he had to talk a caster down from quitting and was struggling to find reasons.
He says that DreamHack told Vince they would hire him but not if he wants to stick with dusT and says that this is the norm in esports. "Constant leveraging of people against each other." and says this is why we don't have a talent union.
New gen casters are getting put into shit situations and the community's reaction to them is adding fuel to the fire
He says the reason Moses left was because of the terrible conditions
He says that Anders had to constantly leave his family and kid because someone fucked up or broke promises and had to constantly tell his kid to their face that "daddy can't be home this weekend."
He says that esports has always been a lie to sell you this dream, "Meanwhile there's about 2% of the cunts getting all the checks."
Valve
"Anything that Riot does, is better than Valve's inaction"
Slasher says that the larger aspect of esports as a whole compared to other entertainment mediums and Valve's lack of inattention are the bigger problems. He continues saying that the fact that Valve let their game be ran as an esport, they need to take on the responsibilities of it.
Both Slasher and RL wants Valve to take control but not on the level of Riot Games, there needs to be a balance.
In case it was ever a question: Gabe Newell has been to 0 CSGO Majors.
RL calls Valve out saying they could have done something during the gambling era.
He says Valve used to come to the majors, but doesn't think they do anymore.
RL had met with Valve at the Cluj-Napoca Major and had tried to appeal iBP's indefinite punishment and had also gave Brax's life story:
A recent family member passed away, they had lost a lot of income, they had to live in trailer, iBuyPower did not pay any salaries, and was pressured by family to make money who didn't support his career.
RL said that Valve told him, "How dare you try and make us feel guilty." "We shouldn't feel bad about enforcing the only thing that matters that we need to make players afraid of: cheating and match fixing"
RL also tried to share other info about match fixing and nothing came of it
RL points out that Source 2 or a new engine is not something you will want based on the experience of transitioning from CS 1.6 to CS:S. "Valve's track record with brand new engines being launched, not fucking great from what I remember."
Slasher says "If there is anything the community should do, is pressure Valve to hire a community manager."
They say that we need a commissioner, a community manager (not the person who runs the Twitter who posts memes all day), then we need to have a circuit
RL reiterates that Valve doesn't care about CS esports and says they need to change the culture at Valve to make them care about CS esports
Slasher says a systemic problem is making it so working on CSGO would be a bad decision for you as an employee for Valve
He also hasn't talked to Valve in ages and have sent over bugs and cheats and doesn't get emails back anymore
Slasher says we should be directing attention at the developer leads, pointing out Ido Magal, if he even is still the project lead
RL thinks that Ido and Brian are the only people that "vaguely even give a fuck about CS" and were the only people that RL recalled that actually read Reddit and paid attention from time to time
"It is really fucking precarious. Somebody has got to step the fuck up and start giving a shit"
Slasher suggests org owners, with CSPPA, with ESIC, with TOs have a concerted effort against Valve
"Riot Games are doing better things than Valve in the esports space" which is something RL didn't think he'd say.
"People who used to be talent, working with unions, arguing with other talent, when the unions fucked them over, can't understand their perspective, TOs fucking over broadcast talent, broadcast talent wanting to leave and go and work for orgs, orgs having no money, Valve might take coaches away because all the coaches are cheating, ESIC has about 4 people in a fucking call doing the investigations, everyone thinks they're spies for ESL, ESL are just the evil fucking overlords wanting to rule the scene and will just somehow, like cockroaches outliving a nuclear bomb, and Valve are in a fucking holiday in Hawaii thinking about the next Dota character because they don't give a fuck about us."
Closing Statements
"We've peaked. If we want to sustain and exist, now is the time to figure it out. No esports lasts as long as this, we've already done 8 years. We've already broke the records. We have got to figure out a way to coexist and drive the negative forces out and we need to do it as a collective and we're not doing that."
RL compared the Counter-Strike scene to the people on the Titanic who ran around with guns robbing people while the boat was sinking.
"We have given up on being a respectable esports scene." "We are now a conduit to make money for those who want to just milk it, just have one last ride, one last roll of the dice. It's done." "What a fucking mess. What have we done to our fucking scene?"
"There's just too much self-interest driving all of this." "I don't see a way we stop the dominoes." "When it's that bad, when there's that many dishonest people that ESIC have to come out and say that if we punish them all there's no one left. What does that tell you?"
"How many opportunities have we had to clean house? How many times have we said, 'this must never happen again', and another scandal." "The entire skins betting operations was the biggest criminal conspiracy in esports ever executed and no one has been punished for it." "The people who could be driving that don't want to."
"Right now people are fans of those organizations because the scene has value. It is worth being a fan of Astralis because they are excellent at Counter-Strike. It is worth being a fan of s1mple because he is the best player in Counter-Strike, maybe the exception of ZywOo. If the scene is devalued, if the scene loses its meaning, those things lose its meaning too, and people will leave, people will stop tuning into the games. I have seen it happen in multiple esports, this is not my first time at the rodeo. I am getting big Brood War vibes right now and I don't like it."
"The role you play in all of this as fans, as viewers, as listeners, as consumers of esports content, it's absolutely imperative that you know who the good guys are. It's absolutely imperative that you use your voice. It's absolutely imperative that when things are bad, you know who, at least, is trying to make them good, and you have to apply your criticism to the right targets."
He continues saying it's no good in continuing to attack ESIC and saying how they are bad, ESIC have it hard
He says CSPPA are on the right side of the argument on BLAST but have been on the wrong side of many arguments many times.
"If you are not willing to stand along side the weakest member of the union, with the least amount of influence, and the least amount of power, then it is not a union at all and you shouldn't pose as one." "You wanna serve a bunch of special interest do it, everyone else in esports fucking does, but do not pose as something you are not." "We love the players. I've been fighting for players rights for as long as I've been able to, but the CSPPA is not what we needed."
"They are not applying the pressure to the right people, they are not fighting the right battles, they are not helping their weaker members."
He says what orgs have done by keeping or hiring coaches is bad. "When you give up on holding an appreciable standard, you've lost the scene" "Competition matters, rules matter, punishments matter, achievements matter, excellence matters" "If you start stripping that away, you have nothing" "You guys need to take that knowledge and apply it sensibly."
"Valve has sold you all down the river, they sold everyone in the esports scene down the river, tournament organizers are selling their talent down the river. Don't hate on them for sounding tired after a 16 hour day. Don't hate on them because the hype for a matchup they've seen for the 20th time in the past 3 months, they can't be as excited or it sounds contrived. Support your guys, they're there for you, these are your people."
"This community has got to start acting like one for the first fucking time. Just put the petty shit away, let's try and fix this fucking scene while we still have one to save."
"You can't rely on Valve, you can't rely on ESL, you can't rely on the CSPPA, you can't rely on anyone." "Once again, it's gonna be the likes of us, the amateurs, the people who give a fuck, rolling up our sleeves and grafting." "I'm old and tired and I don't want to have to do it again. People need to pick up the torch and do it."
"Like Michal did, like Dudenhoeffer did. You see something wrong, fix it. You see somebody doing something wrong, call it out. If you think something could be better, let people know."
"Vote with your wallets if you're not happy with the direction Valve goes in. If when we do get to the Major, they serve up another subpar, same old bullshit stickers and signatures package again, do not buy it."
"You're a powerful block and if you use it correctly we can fucking avert this disaster."
"I'm not doing another year in this broken, bust-up fucking scene, where everyone is miserable, everyone is broke, everyone is tired, and everyone is trying to fucking rob everyone else, blind, while the fucking people who are meant to be protecting you, are just fucking enhancing it and lining their own pockets."
"I'm not doing it anymore and you shouldn't want to do it either."
"I stand by every fucking thing I said. I mean it, because this game fucking matters to me, this scene fucking matters to me. I put my life into this, my adult life, and to see it in this state is fucking sad."
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Want to make a few thousand, up to ~$9,000 as a one time thing if you are down really bad? Let’s do credit card fraud, but on yourself. Go into a gas station (preferably one with cameras for the following fraud investigation) and use your credit card. Leave your card somewhere and get a friend to walk by wearing a mask and glasses and gloves as it’s COVID times. He grabs the card and goes home. Make sure this is the last transaction on your card you made. Your friend now goes to either his house, a McDonald’s or Starbucks with said disguise. Buys a SOCKS5 Proxy to spoof his location, uses a RDP or SSH of the said card location, or simply pairs a good VPN. He cashes out the card on any site, but preferably a gambling site, such as a csgo skin gambling site like hellcase. He will a few thousand dollars, and when the fraud questionnaire checks come up, you give it to him. This will imitate the knowledge of someone having your full doxx. Once he cashed out his skins, then sells them. You “take notice” of this and call your bank, refute the funds and show the last place you left your credit card. They will run a 1-2 week long investigation, and your funds will be added back shortly. They’ll chock it up to misplacing your card and someone leaving the city and using it. Now your friend has made a few thousand, and you have your money. You can split it 75/25.
Please stay away from u/residentsignal135 he is a scammer!!
So I messaged u/residentsignal135 because I was interested in buying a csgo account with skins. After he sent me the link to the account, I asked him to accept my friend request that I sent him so that I can verify that he owns the account. He refused to do so and sent me an obviously photoshopped picture of the account open and said that he wants to keep his ‘activity hidden’ so that he can sell it. Like what??? The account seems to be some kind of old bot for some old gambling website that got banned. Please stay away from him!! Thankfully I didn’t get scammed but I feel like he’s managed to already fool some people. Edit: https://imgur.com/a/mSFyoZo here is the chat log from discord, he clearly is ignoring me and bullshitting by saying that he “changed his mind” in accepting my friend request. If he really wanted to not mess up his ‘activity’ he could’ve accepted my friend request and removed me, so that I know that he owns the account.
an actual steam review by someone who has 5000 hours on dota2
DotA 2 is a dog shit game designed to rape the pleasure center of your brain in order to steal your time and money, and ultimately waste your life. People will tell you that this is a deep and intricate game interwoven with layers of strategy, coordinated teamwork, and precise timing; it definitely can be in the 1% of games where your teammates aren't selfish toxic bastards or have lukewarm potato soup in place of a functioning brain. A huge majority of the player base is horribly racist and/or toxic and it has consistently been this way for years. Of course, the game is a much different experience if you play with a team made up of your friends, which most people who play Dota don't have (probably because they play Dota). Even then, you still run the risk of running into account boosters and smurfs which are pretty prevelant at the average skill level of the overall player base. While the community is probably one of the worst things about this game, the actual game itself has many significant problems too. One of my biggest gripes about Dota is that there are actually a lot of cool and fun features that should be included in the base game, but are locked behind paywalls (dota+, certain compendium features, etc.). With their most recent seasonal event, Valve has now introduced CSGO style cases into the game for DotA skins; I already hate everything about the CSGO model of microtransactions, which is essentially a worse version of gambling, and Valve just copy and pasted the system into Dota because they finally realized how dumb and easy manipulated the player base is. The business model around Dota 2 continues to become more greedy and exhortative with each passing day and will continue to do so. The gameplay itself can be good, fun, and addictive but is ultimately soured by everything else that surrounds it. Valve's attempts to update and expand the game throughout the past years have been pretty good, but (at least in my opinion) has failed to meaningfully improve on the core gameplay or enhance player experience. Overall, any time or money you were considering spending on this game would honestly be better spent on almost anything else, trust me your life will be better of for it. Coming from someone who has spent an embarrassing amount of hours in this game, it is absolutely not worth it. I would be a much happier person if I could refund all the time and money spent on this heaping pile of garbage designed to suck your life away one minute and penny at a time.
Hello, I'm sorry if this comes out as a total mess, but if it does, it's pretty accurate because that's been my life the last year. I'm typing this with the hope this is the last time I'll gamble, and if I feel the urge to do it, I'll force my self to come here and read this. So basically I'm exposing myself to the internet and writing something for my future self. I want to thank you all for sharing your stories, everyone has their own version of the struggle, and reading them helped me come to the conclusion that I'm a compulsive gambler and I must stop before it's too late. So, last week I fcked up (again) and decided to login on my bank account app and see all the movements I've done since this gambling situation became problematic. I had no idea for how long this was, compared to some of you is not that long, but in my reality, it is, long, toxic and I'm ashamed. I am destroying pretty much all my money since March 2020, by the time I got my first job, it was the first time I had an income. I don't remember exactly how it all this started but I'm pretty sure it was with CSGO skins ft. CSGO gambling sites, I consider myself a pretty lucky guy, I really do, but I don't know how to stop, when to stop, and that's when it becomes problematic. At first I would just deposit randomly 25$ here and then, but it became more and more often and I can recall one night I ripped my wallet and went to some spare account I had and just gambled 400$ at a time, this was the first time I had this compulsive behavior, I just couldn't stop chasing the loss till I had 0$ left. I couldn't sleep that night, when the sun came, I just got dressed and went run to some woods so I could isolate myself and think about what I had done. That was also the first time I admit to my family what I had done, and I needed help. This breaks me because they are always there to help me and I just fck up, again and again. But this time, I really hope I can do this, recently I got in a relationship, and in December 2020 it was the first time since March that I actually spent money in myself, usually when the paycheck comes, it just vanishes like that, I don't have control at all, I tell to my self "this time is just 50$, there is nothing to worry about" and this is a loop, and it only ends when I'm in a dark place, where I only have money for the essencial, the bare minimum, and that is sad and I don't feel good about it, so, it's time. It really gets you, feel like I'm disconnected from everyone, my focus is not there, it's like I'm slowly losing emotions and empathy and all what matters is that rush I feel when gamble, and it's not about money, because it feels like it's never enough, do you ever feel like that? I need to understand it's not gambling ill get money to buy things, it's time, it's all about time and commitment. But I came to conclusion, this is over, I don't want to feel in this dark place anymore, this is not good for me or even for people around me, it's actually not healthy, and if I can't do this for myself I must do it for them. I hope I can go through this alone, I want to get better and tell this to my partner, but I don't feel like say it now, I want to become a better version of myself first. I'm ashamed but I believe if I focus I can do this. Thank you if you read this till this far, if you feel like leave some words so when I feel the urge to gamble I'll listen to you and it might impact me someway, at least I hope it does.
I was a junior in college highly addicted to earning money. I use to gamble CSGO skins back in the day and I remember ending up losing $5000 worth of skins. With my remaining $800 skins, I learned about Crypto and saw BTC. Around then it was around $300. I thought it was ridiculous expensive and later found out about Dogecoin. They were about .0001 and i ended up paying around $800 for 5 million. I transferred the coins to my laptop and forgot about it. Around 2016/17, I made this account for memes towards dogecoin. I also noticed that Doge was about 1.5x higher so I was about to sell it. Unfortunately it was stored in my laptop which I gave to my parents back home. When I asked for it back, they said they donated it to a thrift store.... Whoever bought a 2014 Dell Silver Laptop back in 2017, that baby is about to me worth half a million....
Hi, over the course of 4 weeks I’ve made a total of 1800$ and lost it in the span of 2 weeks. I started with a 10$ deposit on a gambling site and I played multiple games until I eventually made my way to 200$ on live casino games then down to 60$, where I tried slots and made a total of $1200. I ended the night off with 960$ from 10$ and was fucking stoked and feeling the best I ever could. I withdrew it and over the course of 2 weeks it never came in my crypto wallet and I can’t really file for support because they would ask for my KYC and then I’d prolly not even get the funds and my dad would kill me if he found out I was gambling (especially since now i lost everything). Following this I opened 650$ worth of csgo site gambling, csgo cases, and more gambling in general using my real money (I’ve been saving for months and my birthday just passed). I built up a 1200$ cs inventory and this past week I couldn’t hold onto it and deposited it back into these sites and have gambled it all away because I couldn’t really cash it out into real money and the rates I was getting the crypto equivalent was worse than me 650$ initial deposit so my brain told me to gamble it till I was in profit and little by little my whole inventory disappeared and I now have nothing. This has taken a toll on me mentally and physically. I use to workout everyday and keep up with my social and now I haven’t in a week and respond to everyone every 10 hours. My schoolwork is up to par but I’ve always been a consistent student and I don’t want to slack. I didn’t think I’d be addicted to gambling as I’ve done multiple other things just as bad that haven’t affected me like this but it was probably due to the fact I made it to such an insane number from 10$ I thought I could do anything. Now here I am sharing my story and hopefully never going to gamble again (yes I’ve already started a plan to stop) and I am kind of thankful it’s happening to me now and not when I’m a working adult who could potentially be a crippling gambling addict (although 650$ is a lot of money but if it’s saved me from a future of debt I’m thankful). Now initially I was gambling for the thrill because my profits way exceeded my deposit but these past few days I’ve chased my losses and tried to actually make money (which was never the intent I always knew it was a losing game) because I was delusional to think that I could make it all back easily. So here I am 1800$ profit down the hole and 650$ of my own money down the hole. I’ve been gambling little amounts since quarantine because I was bored out of my mind but they would be at intervals of like 10$ every other week or so (which is still bad but not even close to as bad as this month). I’m also physically and mentally drained and I haven’t felt worse in a long time. The craziest thing is that no one knows besides who I told that I’m even like this right now and I seem completely normal. I dont have any cravings to gamble right now and hopefully I won’t in the near future as I have accepted my losses and started to do online work to get it back (without gambling). It’s also a test of willpower to see if I relapse or not which I hope I don’t Now your probably asking me why I wouldn’t just cash out my 1200$ inventory and I can’t even give you a proper answer to that one. It’s mainly because I saw that I’d be selling it at 60-65% lf it’s marker value which breaks even with what I spent and then you have to add in the commission from the website and the fact that crypto is really high rn so the amount I’d be getting isn’t as much as it could’ve been (although I could just hold it it’s bound to go up long term ETH and BTC specifically). So I thought that if I could deposit all my skins on the gambling sites (they take it at like 70% of the market value) and then proceed to gamble it all the way up till 1200$ I could cash it out without losing that humongous chunk of profit because I’m very greedy and pessimistic when it comes to settling down for a reasonable price. Then it went downhill and I lost everything. My luck in every game was horrible I was literally losing every game I played (which doesn’t surprise me it’s like these websites know when your desperate and when your not). Moral of the story is don’t gamble and if you do use an amount your comfortable with losing. If you do and you lose don’t go back in and if you do and you win cash out and don’t go back in because once you win you get this feeling that you could profit if you just put in a lil more and this is when you’re sucked in. There are better ways to make money (I invested in Bitcoin when I was younger and my profits r insane but I will never touch my btc wallet for money because it’s a long term investment). Don’t chase your losses either if you lose accept that you’ve lost and you won’t be digging yourself deeper in a hole you can’t get out of. I actually hope that you lose the first time you gamble because you’ll probably stay away from it which is way valuable than any sort of winnings you would’ve had. I should say though that not all of it is your fault (most of it is tho). Online gambling is as enticing as ever especially during a pandemic, and although most of these sites always say “don’t go on unless your 18+” they know that a lot of underage people use their website. These big sites like csgo case opening sites are filled with shiny bright coloured cases with a price tag on them (I’m not saying that they encourage youth gambling but I am saying the layout of the website is appealing to children). Youth are attracted to these shiny colourful cases and they as a result are more likely to deposit these shiny looking cases (this sounds like a stretch but this is my opinion so feel free to disagree). It’s also the fact that it’s SO EASY to deposit onto these sites and withdraw. Since most teenagers have a debit card (or even buying prepaid cards works on most of them), it takes a quick 3 minutes to put on a few hundred dollars if you really wanted to. The withdrawals aren’t usually restricted either unless it’s big amounts in the thousands (which most kids don’t have in the first place) meaning it looks like an easy way to make money and cash out. Most of these sites won’t push for age verification because it’s easy money when teenagers deposit money. And before they even go on these websites, games like csgo and dota 2 have BUILT IN GAMBLING SYSTEMS. These case and cosmetic openings in the game usually cost a small sum of money but are usually the start of thjs gambling interest especially when they get something good from the case and want to put more down. I’d call myself a lucky person considering I’ve unboxed 2 knives, and a red and multiple pinks in a kind of small amount of cases compared to the average person and this just drove me to try my luck on all these gambling sites since I had good luck in the game. These websites and games aren’t “anti- teenage gambling”. If you read all this and are looking for a reason not to gamble, I hope this helped you and if u read thru all this thanks for listening to my story TL:DR I’m a 16 year old who made 1800 gambling, then used all my savings after losing some, and am at 0$ currently and physically and mentally drained
I get straight up bored nowadays by just thinking about what I'm gonna play today, I play standoff 2 a lot but the truth is devs(Axlebolt) doesn't care about the game anymore they stop focusing on optimizations, anti-cheat, maps and they just put more skins so that kids can gamble and they get money, so let's look at other options 1)"C-OPS Reloaded" is straight up horrible the UI looks like some amateur made it and while the mechanics are similar to OG C-OPS but it's not the same it feels kinda janky at least for me so I just don't like it. 2)"Guns of boom" it feels like pay to win the game just forces to buy stuff like juggernaut etc and it's kinda dead. 3)"PUBG" if I'm being honest and if you are being honest, at this very moment the game has turned into Fortnite now more than ever. There was a time when it was pure battle royale and it was just pure action all day and now if you see all the emotes all the modes I'm just not fond of them ohh yeah there was a season which had just a toys theme, I mean are you actually serious the game is life or death action and in the middle of firefight in pochinki are we just gonna play with toys and do emotes Ive never played Fortnite but I'd rather play Fortnite than its cheap clone called POOPG. 3)"C.O.D.M" well there isn't much to say the game runs like butter I've played it on three different phones with 3,4,6 GB ram it just doesn't seem to not run bad at least for me. Problem i get bored easily on that game and well it's not pay to win but if you managed to buy the coins you can buy the upgrades and it probably won't make a huge amount of difference but not idk, the battle royale mode is good and the other modes are decent as well but idk I just get bored easily I don't like playing too much. 4)All "Azur interactive games" now this is where it gets worse, Azur is probably the worst studio ever basically a budget version of EA they copy every thing from their previous titles including buttons, maps, menus, modes etc and just paste it and to pour salt on to our wounds it's pay to win so don't even bother playing any of their titles I've probably missed many other titles but the ones I've mentioned have a solid player base and a great community so I've taken them into consideration, This leaves us with cheap PC game knock-offs I really don't wanna play any of them, my opinions may be bad maybe false but let's face it where is the next huge battle royale or next best FPS game or next best sniper game (btw hitman game is awesome but how long can you play the same map over and over again ???). Where are the next PUBG mobile, COD mobile, CSGO mobile ???
The current CSGO "gambling" system of opening cases and using stars to acquire skins in the Broken Fang "DLC" is broken in more ways than one, the biggest being the lack of any form of compound luck calculation. I understand that the scarcity of skins is what gives them their rarity, however, a system where it is possible to literally acquire not even 5% of the amount you have put in in the long term is ridiculous. I have used money twice in CSGO, once I had spent 800 euros opening cases and on New Year's Eve, I decided to try my luck at the Control collection to get an AWP Fade with around 1200 euros. On my first run, I had acquired a single red skin and that's it, meaning I was down 750~ euros however I was prepared for that. On Control, I used around 1200 euros to buy 2900 stars. I used them all on the Control collection and I did not get a single AWP drop (expected) and not a single USP / M4 drop either (unexpected). After doing a billion trade-ups, I was left with 8 Restricted-level drops. Having gotten less than 100 euros back from 1200 euros worth of openings is ridiculous on its own, however, my next step was simply to combine them with 2 other Restricted-level drops to try my 80% or at least above 50% chance at getting a USP or M4 to make myself feel better, however, I of course failed the trade-up as well and got in total 8 euros back from 1200 euros worth of stars. I have since jokingly named it "2k Waste" and cryptographically signed its floats to make it a one of a kind reminder. Many systems utilize a compound system whereby if you get several losses in a row you are guaranteed a better drop on your next try. I do not understand why Valve hasn't implemented a similar system for CSGO. I am not talking about landing 5k worth of skins, I am talking about a very very minuscule such system that would guaranteedly return you 5-10% of what you have put into it. I do not expect to put any more money on Steam unless a change is made, I do not understand how such a huge loss can occur when opening such large amounts as I doubt many people have 2k lying around to spend on opening cases. I was planning on simply buying the extra skins I needed off the drops I would get from the 1200 euros to trade-up to an AWP Fade, but it is ridiculous I was over 1000 euros short of such a trade-up after opening so many cases, making it cheaper to buy it directly off-market. This may be seen as a rant, however, I find off-steam gambling sites completely justified after this experience. I hope a change is brought.
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[Rewards $50 and VIP for 7 Days] • Dangerous Treasures - is an event that occurs once every one to two hours. The event spawns a box at a random position on the map away from all player obstructions and water. *** NOTICE *** [You will not get any rewards as it automated Event] • Guarded Crate - Spawns custom random events at locations guarded by scientists *** NOTICE *** [You will not get any rewards as it automated Event] ***|List of what server makes esier for players gameplay|*** • Backpack - Allows players to craft Backpack. • Better Loot - Gives players better loot. • Crafting Controller - Allows players to craft stuff quicker. • Furnace Splitter - Allows players to put your ores into the furnace and they will be split up into a configurable amount of stacks. • Private Messages - Allows players to chat in a private chat. • Quick Smelt - Allows players to smelt ores quicker. • Recycler Speed - Allows players to recycler stuff quicker. • Stack Size Controller. Modified stack size. ***|List of all server commands for players|*** • /Grade 1-4 (/Bgrade) - Allows players to place foundations at a specific level without having to upgrade manually (Unuseable in RaidBlock) • /Bounty - Allows you to place bounties on other players for $/RP or for Items • /Clan - Allows you to create a clan with your team to show a Clan tag in chat • /DC - Allows you to link yourself between our discord & Rust server • /FB - Allows you to place Picture frames on boxes so that you can categorize your boxes! • /friend - Allows you to add Friends in-game (Novelty) • /Gather - Shows our Gather rates for the server (Currently set as 2x) • /TOD - shows current time of day / Night/Day Cycles • /Kit - Shows available free / Paid kits (Purchase VIP Via https://RustLands.net • /PM - Private message your friends in-game or just talk to another player! use /pm NAME to send & /r Message to reply! • /Remove - Allows you to remove structures you placed (Unuseable in Raidblock) • /TPR - Request to teleport to Another player (10 per day) • /Outpost - Teleport to the outpost (10 per day) • /Bandit - Teleport to Bandit (10 per day) • /Home - Allows you setup a home-teleport location that you can teleport to (10 per day) • /PR - Shows player rankings, solo & Clan - PVE & PVP • /Sil - Allows you to place a picture on a Frame/BanneSign (example: /sil https://i.imgur.com/P8WyLhg.jpg) - Must be facing Sign (.png and .jpg only) • /Sili - Place currently held item on a Frame/BanneSign as a picture • /Case - CSGO Case gambling...Rust edition? Earn $ for activity & spend it via Cases! • /S - In-Game shop, you earn $100 per 60 minutes activity, use this money to purchase items from the store! • /Skinbox - Skin any item in your inventory to a list of over 14,000 Skins! • /Voteday - Vote skip the Night cycle! (Who likes night anyway!) • /Trade - Allows you to trade another player!
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Half my friend group abandoned me, my gf broke up with me after 3 years, get no bday party because covid, failing half my classes, not making any new friends, addicted to gambling all my money away on csgo skins, and spend 10hrs a day on CSGO, Like life used to be lit bro like I was mad popular and had made a successful eBay store so I had money and always treated everyone to chocolate from school or boba after school, and I was always out doing stuff with friends like I had the life I had always wanted to have back in March and now all of it is gone and I spend all day playing games on my pc Why me world
I get straight up bored nowadays by just thinking about what I'm gonna play today, I play standoff 2 a lot but the truth is devs(Axlebolt) doesn't care about the game anymore they stop focusing on optimizations, anti-cheat, maps and they just put more skins so that kids can gamble and they get money, so let's look at other options 1)"C-OPS Reloaded" is straight up horrible the UI looks like some amateur made it and while the mechanics are similar to OG C-OPS but it's not the same it feels kinda janky at least for me so I just don't like it. 2)"Guns of boom" it feels like pay to win the game just forces to buy stuff like juggernaut etc and it's kinda dead. 3)"PUBG" if I'm being honest and if you are being honest, at this very moment the game has turned into Fortnite now more than ever. There was a time when it was pure battle royale and it was just pure action all day and now if you see all the emotes all the modes I'm just not fond of them ohh yeah there was a season which had just a toys theme, I mean are you actually serious the game is life or death action and in the middle of firefight in pochinki are we just gonna play with toys and do emotes Ive never played Fortnite but I'd rather play Fortnite than its cheap clone called POOPG. 3)"C.O.D.M" well there isn't much to say the game runs like butter I've played it on three different phones with 3,4,6 GB ram it just doesn't seem to not run bad at least for me. Problem i get bored easily on that game and well it's not pay to win but if you managed to buy the coins you can buy the upgrades and it probably won't make a huge amount of difference but not idk, the battle royale mode is good and the other modes are decent as well but idk I just get bored easily I don't like playing too much. 4)All "Azur interactive games" now this is where it gets worse, Azur is probably the worst studio ever basically a budget version of EA they copy every thing from their previous titles including buttons, maps, menus, modes etc and just paste it and to pour salt on to our wounds it's pay to win so don't even bother playing any of their titles I've probably missed many other titles but the ones I've mentioned have a solid player base and a great community so I've taken them into consideration, This leaves us with cheap PC game knock-offs I really don't wanna play any of them, my opinions may be bad maybe false but let's face it where is the next huge battle royale or next best FPS game or next best sniper game (btw hitman game is awesome but how long can you play the same map over and over again ???). Where are the next PUBG mobile, COD mobile, CSGO mobile ???
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